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Muslims say "We will use your democracy to destroy your democracy."
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Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-02 09:04:37 UTC
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London a Longtime Haven for Radical Muslim Figures
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
July 12, 2005

(CNSNews.com) -- Terrorism experts have long warned that Islamists espousing
violence enjoy a haven in London, an assertion that has come into sharp
focus again with the July 7 bombings in the British capital.

For years, Britain tolerated the presence of high-profile and outspoken
Islamic clerics whose fiery sermons frequently extolled jihad against the
West. Since 9/11, however, anti-terror legislation has been tightened, some
groups have been outlawed, terror rings have been broken and some
controversial figures have been arrested.

One of them, Egyptian-born Abu Hamza al-Masri, went on trial this week at
London's Old Bailey courthouse, where he faces more than a dozen charges
include inciting terrorism and racial hatred.

Al-Masri was formerly the imam at a North London mosque linked to confessed
al-Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid, who tried to blow
up a U.S.-bound flight from Europe with explosives hidden in his shoe.

He also is wanted in the United States and Yemen on terror-related charges.

For years before his May 2004 arrest, al-Masri used the Finsbury Park mosque
as a base to speak for what he insisted were political causes.

Despite his radical rhetoric and close links to a group that claimed
responsibility for attacks including the Oct. 2000 bombing of the USS Cole
in Yemen, it was only in 2003 that the authorities acted against him,
stripping him of his British citizenship and barring him from preaching at
the mosque.

Al-Masri then took to addressing his followers -- mostly young British- and
foreign-born Muslims -- on the street outside the building.

Britain also detained another London-based extremist cleric, Abu Qatada,
whose sermons were found in the 9/11 hijackers' apartment in Germany.

But other radical leaders remained free, among them Omar Bakri Mohammed, a
Syrian-born cleric who has promoted and praised violence against Israel,
America and Britain for years.

Yael Shahar of the Israel-based International Policy Institute for
Counter-Terrorism (ICT) said that although London had been a center for
Islamic extremism for years, the British security services only started
taking the threat seriously after 9/11.

Before that, Shahar said, "the firebrand clerics who preached jihad and
hatred of the West were dismissed as 'armchair warriors' by British
intelligence."

Even since 9/11, however, critics have questioned Britain's apparent
tolerance for highly-controversial Muslim figures.

As recently as last year, the government allowed a visit by Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, a Egyptian cleric who has publicly voiced support for suicide
bombers. London's leftwing Mayor Ken Livingstone, who has called al-Qaradawi
a "man of peace," welcomed him as an honored guest (see related story).

Exploiting democracy

In 2000, Bakri told Cybercast News Service in an interview: "We will use
your democracy to destroy your democracy."

Britain's legal system and its willingness late last century to offer asylum
to figures like Bakri, al-Masri and Abu Qatada made it a magnet for exiled
radical organizations.

"In the past decade, the United Kingdom's undisputed political, economic,
and cultural center has also become a major world center of political Islam
and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and anti-American activism," writes Hebrew
University of Jerusalem academic Robert S. Wistrich, in online excerpts of
an article to be published soon.

"Through its Arabic-language newspapers, magazines, and publishing houses,
not to mention its flourishing network of bookshops, mosques, and community
centers, radical Islam has taken full advantage of what British democracy
has to offer for its anti-Western goals, reaping the benefits of London's
significance as a hub of global finance, electronic media, and mass
communications technology."

Osama bin Laden himself laid the groundwork for a London-based network,
according to terrorism researcher Yossef Bodansky.

In his biography on bin Laden, written before 9/11, Bodansky wrote that the
al-Qaeda leader based himself in the London suburb of Wembley in 1994. By
the time he left, after the Saudis began demanding his expulsion, "he had
consolidated a comprehensive system of entities" in the city.

In Nov. 1998, Bakri hosted a conference in London called Western Challenge
and Islamic Response, attended by more than a dozen extremist groups. At the
gathering, Bakri voiced support for Osama bin Laden's jihad and said recent
anti-U.S. attacks such as those in Saudi Arabia and East Africa were
"legitimate acts."

Following 9/11, Bakri was one of the first Islamist figures to publicly
applaud the attacks.

Since then he has spoken often of his support for violent jihad, even
admitting to signing up recruits for Islamist campaigns in places like
Kashmir and Israel.

A number of governments -- including those of India, Algeria, Sri Lanka and
Egypt -- have long complained about the presence in Britain of groups
connected to violent campaign in those countries.

Extremists recruited in Britain for terrorist acts abroad include "shoe
bomber" Reid, eight men involved in kidnappings in Yemen, and two men who
carried out a deadly suicide bombing in Tel Aviv in 2003.

Bakri insisted that fighters were never recruited to carry out violent acts
inside Britain itself, although he did say it was his dream to see the
Islamic banner flying over Downing Street.

After the fall of the Taliban and its al-Qaeda allies in Afghanistan in late
2001, a member of Bakri's organization, Hassan Butt, told the BBC from
Pakistan that British Muslim volunteers who had been fighting in Afghanistan
would return to Britain where they would "strike at the heart of the enemy."

In an interview with a Portuguese magazine in April 2004, Bakri said attacks
on London were "inevitable."

One "very well organized" group in London called itself al-Qaeda Europe, he
said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."

Copyright © 1998-2005 CNSNews.com - Cybercast News Service
Cyber Quaid
2005-08-02 10:11:15 UTC
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It's always so easy to manufacture quotes on the internet and present them
as if a real person is reporting them..

Nice try using a web site only you know about. At least don't call it news
just call it a figment of your imagination.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/july/0712_london_havenp.shtml
London a Longtime Haven for Radical Muslim Figures
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
July 12, 2005
(CNSNews.com) -- Terrorism experts have long warned that Islamists espousing
violence enjoy a haven in London, an assertion that has come into sharp
focus again with the July 7 bombings in the British capital.
For years, Britain tolerated the presence of high-profile and outspoken
Islamic clerics whose fiery sermons frequently extolled jihad against the
West. Since 9/11, however, anti-terror legislation has been tightened, some
groups have been outlawed, terror rings have been broken and some
controversial figures have been arrested.
One of them, Egyptian-born Abu Hamza al-Masri, went on trial this week at
London's Old Bailey courthouse, where he faces more than a dozen charges
include inciting terrorism and racial hatred.
Al-Masri was formerly the imam at a North London mosque linked to confessed
al-Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid, who tried to blow
up a U.S.-bound flight from Europe with explosives hidden in his shoe.
He also is wanted in the United States and Yemen on terror-related charges.
For years before his May 2004 arrest, al-Masri used the Finsbury Park mosque
as a base to speak for what he insisted were political causes.
Despite his radical rhetoric and close links to a group that claimed
responsibility for attacks including the Oct. 2000 bombing of the USS Cole
in Yemen, it was only in 2003 that the authorities acted against him,
stripping him of his British citizenship and barring him from preaching at
the mosque.
Al-Masri then took to addressing his followers -- mostly young British- and
foreign-born Muslims -- on the street outside the building.
Britain also detained another London-based extremist cleric, Abu Qatada,
whose sermons were found in the 9/11 hijackers' apartment in Germany.
But other radical leaders remained free, among them Omar Bakri Mohammed, a
Syrian-born cleric who has promoted and praised violence against Israel,
America and Britain for years.
Yael Shahar of the Israel-based International Policy Institute for
Counter-Terrorism (ICT) said that although London had been a center for
Islamic extremism for years, the British security services only started
taking the threat seriously after 9/11.
Before that, Shahar said, "the firebrand clerics who preached jihad and
hatred of the West were dismissed as 'armchair warriors' by British
intelligence."
Even since 9/11, however, critics have questioned Britain's apparent
tolerance for highly-controversial Muslim figures.
As recently as last year, the government allowed a visit by Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, a Egyptian cleric who has publicly voiced support for suicide
bombers. London's leftwing Mayor Ken Livingstone, who has called al-Qaradawi
a "man of peace," welcomed him as an honored guest (see related story).
Exploiting democracy
In 2000, Bakri told Cybercast News Service in an interview: "We will use
your democracy to destroy your democracy."
Britain's legal system and its willingness late last century to offer asylum
to figures like Bakri, al-Masri and Abu Qatada made it a magnet for exiled
radical organizations.
"In the past decade, the United Kingdom's undisputed political, economic,
and cultural center has also become a major world center of political Islam
and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and anti-American activism," writes Hebrew
University of Jerusalem academic Robert S. Wistrich, in online excerpts of
an article to be published soon.
"Through its Arabic-language newspapers, magazines, and publishing houses,
not to mention its flourishing network of bookshops, mosques, and community
centers, radical Islam has taken full advantage of what British democracy
has to offer for its anti-Western goals, reaping the benefits of London's
significance as a hub of global finance, electronic media, and mass
communications technology."
Osama bin Laden himself laid the groundwork for a London-based network,
according to terrorism researcher Yossef Bodansky.
In his biography on bin Laden, written before 9/11, Bodansky wrote that the
al-Qaeda leader based himself in the London suburb of Wembley in 1994. By
the time he left, after the Saudis began demanding his expulsion, "he had
consolidated a comprehensive system of entities" in the city.
In Nov. 1998, Bakri hosted a conference in London called Western Challenge
and Islamic Response, attended by more than a dozen extremist groups. At the
gathering, Bakri voiced support for Osama bin Laden's jihad and said recent
anti-U.S. attacks such as those in Saudi Arabia and East Africa were
"legitimate acts."
Following 9/11, Bakri was one of the first Islamist figures to publicly
applaud the attacks.
Since then he has spoken often of his support for violent jihad, even
admitting to signing up recruits for Islamist campaigns in places like
Kashmir and Israel.
A number of governments -- including those of India, Algeria, Sri Lanka and
Egypt -- have long complained about the presence in Britain of groups
connected to violent campaign in those countries.
Extremists recruited in Britain for terrorist acts abroad include "shoe
bomber" Reid, eight men involved in kidnappings in Yemen, and two men who
carried out a deadly suicide bombing in Tel Aviv in 2003.
Bakri insisted that fighters were never recruited to carry out violent acts
inside Britain itself, although he did say it was his dream to see the
Islamic banner flying over Downing Street.
After the fall of the Taliban and its al-Qaeda allies in Afghanistan in late
2001, a member of Bakri's organization, Hassan Butt, told the BBC from
Pakistan that British Muslim volunteers who had been fighting in Afghanistan
would return to Britain where they would "strike at the heart of the enemy."
In an interview with a Portuguese magazine in April 2004, Bakri said attacks
on London were "inevitable."
One "very well organized" group in London called itself al-Qaeda Europe, he
said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."
Copyright © 1998-2005 CNSNews.com - Cybercast News Service
Morar
2005-08-02 10:58:20 UTC
Permalink
Yes it is. For instance blaming Jews for 9/11 even when Laden et al
were claiming that they did it. Bali, Madrid, London, Beslan, Paris,
Nairobi, etc.
Post by Cyber Quaid
It's always so easy to manufacture quotes on the internet and present them
as if a real person is reporting them..
Nice try using a web site only you know about. At least don't call it news
just call it a figment of your imagination.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/july/0712_london_havenp.shtml
London a Longtime Haven for Radical Muslim Figures
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
July 12, 2005
(CNSNews.com) -- Terrorism experts have long warned that Islamists
espousing
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
violence enjoy a haven in London, an assertion that has come into sharp
focus again with the July 7 bombings in the British capital.
For years, Britain tolerated the presence of high-profile and outspoken
Islamic clerics whose fiery sermons frequently extolled jihad against the
West. Since 9/11, however, anti-terror legislation has been tightened,
some
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
groups have been outlawed, terror rings have been broken and some
controversial figures have been arrested.
One of them, Egyptian-born Abu Hamza al-Masri, went on trial this week at
London's Old Bailey courthouse, where he faces more than a dozen charges
include inciting terrorism and racial hatred.
Al-Masri was formerly the imam at a North London mosque linked to
confessed
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
al-Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid, who tried to
blow
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
up a U.S.-bound flight from Europe with explosives hidden in his shoe.
He also is wanted in the United States and Yemen on terror-related
charges.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
For years before his May 2004 arrest, al-Masri used the Finsbury Park
mosque
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
as a base to speak for what he insisted were political causes.
Despite his radical rhetoric and close links to a group that claimed
responsibility for attacks including the Oct. 2000 bombing of the USS Cole
in Yemen, it was only in 2003 that the authorities acted against him,
stripping him of his British citizenship and barring him from preaching at
the mosque.
Al-Masri then took to addressing his followers -- mostly young British-
and
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
foreign-born Muslims -- on the street outside the building.
Britain also detained another London-based extremist cleric, Abu Qatada,
whose sermons were found in the 9/11 hijackers' apartment in Germany.
But other radical leaders remained free, among them Omar Bakri Mohammed, a
Syrian-born cleric who has promoted and praised violence against Israel,
America and Britain for years.
Yael Shahar of the Israel-based International Policy Institute for
Counter-Terrorism (ICT) said that although London had been a center for
Islamic extremism for years, the British security services only started
taking the threat seriously after 9/11.
Before that, Shahar said, "the firebrand clerics who preached jihad and
hatred of the West were dismissed as 'armchair warriors' by British
intelligence."
Even since 9/11, however, critics have questioned Britain's apparent
tolerance for highly-controversial Muslim figures.
As recently as last year, the government allowed a visit by Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, a Egyptian cleric who has publicly voiced support for suicide
bombers. London's leftwing Mayor Ken Livingstone, who has called
al-Qaradawi
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
a "man of peace," welcomed him as an honored guest (see related story).
Exploiting democracy
In 2000, Bakri told Cybercast News Service in an interview: "We will use
your democracy to destroy your democracy."
Britain's legal system and its willingness late last century to offer
asylum
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
to figures like Bakri, al-Masri and Abu Qatada made it a magnet for exiled
radical organizations.
"In the past decade, the United Kingdom's undisputed political, economic,
and cultural center has also become a major world center of political
Islam
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and anti-American activism," writes Hebrew
University of Jerusalem academic Robert S. Wistrich, in online excerpts of
an article to be published soon.
"Through its Arabic-language newspapers, magazines, and publishing houses,
not to mention its flourishing network of bookshops, mosques, and
community
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
centers, radical Islam has taken full advantage of what British democracy
has to offer for its anti-Western goals, reaping the benefits of London's
significance as a hub of global finance, electronic media, and mass
communications technology."
Osama bin Laden himself laid the groundwork for a London-based network,
according to terrorism researcher Yossef Bodansky.
In his biography on bin Laden, written before 9/11, Bodansky wrote that
the
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
al-Qaeda leader based himself in the London suburb of Wembley in 1994. By
the time he left, after the Saudis began demanding his expulsion, "he had
consolidated a comprehensive system of entities" in the city.
In Nov. 1998, Bakri hosted a conference in London called Western Challenge
and Islamic Response, attended by more than a dozen extremist groups. At
the
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
gathering, Bakri voiced support for Osama bin Laden's jihad and said
recent
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
anti-U.S. attacks such as those in Saudi Arabia and East Africa were
"legitimate acts."
Following 9/11, Bakri was one of the first Islamist figures to publicly
applaud the attacks.
Since then he has spoken often of his support for violent jihad, even
admitting to signing up recruits for Islamist campaigns in places like
Kashmir and Israel.
A number of governments -- including those of India, Algeria, Sri Lanka
and
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Egypt -- have long complained about the presence in Britain of groups
connected to violent campaign in those countries.
Extremists recruited in Britain for terrorist acts abroad include "shoe
bomber" Reid, eight men involved in kidnappings in Yemen, and two men who
carried out a deadly suicide bombing in Tel Aviv in 2003.
Bakri insisted that fighters were never recruited to carry out violent
acts
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
inside Britain itself, although he did say it was his dream to see the
Islamic banner flying over Downing Street.
After the fall of the Taliban and its al-Qaeda allies in Afghanistan in
late
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2001, a member of Bakri's organization, Hassan Butt, told the BBC from
Pakistan that British Muslim volunteers who had been fighting in
Afghanistan
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
would return to Britain where they would "strike at the heart of the
enemy."
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
In an interview with a Portuguese magazine in April 2004, Bakri said
attacks
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
on London were "inevitable."
One "very well organized" group in London called itself al-Qaeda Europe,
he
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."
Copyright © 1998-2005 CNSNews.com - Cybercast News Service
Grantland
2005-08-02 14:45:24 UTC
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Post by Morar
Yes it is. For instance blaming Jews for 9/11 even when Laden et al
were claiming that they did it. Bali, Madrid, London, Beslan, Paris,
Nairobi, etc.
Mossad and neocon traitors in the ZIA did 9/11 - the world knows it.
Bin Laden was surprised (but delighted) at the news.

Grantland
Post by Morar
Post by Cyber Quaid
It's always so easy to manufacture quotes on the internet and present them
as if a real person is reporting them..
Nice try using a web site only you know about. At least don't call it news
just call it a figment of your imagination.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/july/0712_london_havenp.shtml
London a Longtime Haven for Radical Muslim Figures
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
July 12, 2005
(CNSNews.com) -- Terrorism experts have long warned that Islamists
espousing
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
violence enjoy a haven in London, an assertion that has come into sharp
focus again with the July 7 bombings in the British capital.
For years, Britain tolerated the presence of high-profile and outspoken
Islamic clerics whose fiery sermons frequently extolled jihad against t=
he
Post by Cyber Quaid
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
West. Since 9/11, however, anti-terror legislation has been tightened,
some
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
groups have been outlawed, terror rings have been broken and some
controversial figures have been arrested.
One of them, Egyptian-born Abu Hamza al-Masri, went on trial this week =
at
Post by Cyber Quaid
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
London's Old Bailey courthouse, where he faces more than a dozen charges
include inciting terrorism and racial hatred.
Al-Masri was formerly the imam at a North London mosque linked to
confessed
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
al-Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid, who tried to
blow
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
up a U.S.-bound flight from Europe with explosives hidden in his shoe.
He also is wanted in the United States and Yemen on terror-related
charges.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
For years before his May 2004 arrest, al-Masri used the Finsbury Park
mosque
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
as a base to speak for what he insisted were political causes.
Despite his radical rhetoric and close links to a group that claimed
responsibility for attacks including the Oct. 2000 bombing of the USS C=
ole
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in Yemen, it was only in 2003 that the authorities acted against him,
stripping him of his British citizenship and barring him from preaching=
at
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the mosque.
Al-Masri then took to addressing his followers -- mostly young British-
and
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
foreign-born Muslims -- on the street outside the building.
Britain also detained another London-based extremist cleric, Abu Qatada,
whose sermons were found in the 9/11 hijackers' apartment in Germany.
But other radical leaders remained free, among them Omar Bakri Mohammed=
, a
Post by Cyber Quaid
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Syrian-born cleric who has promoted and praised violence against Israel,
America and Britain for years.
Yael Shahar of the Israel-based International Policy Institute for
Counter-Terrorism (ICT) said that although London had been a center for
Islamic extremism for years, the British security services only started
taking the threat seriously after 9/11.
Before that, Shahar said, "the firebrand clerics who preached jihad and
hatred of the West were dismissed as 'armchair warriors' by British
intelligence."
Even since 9/11, however, critics have questioned Britain's apparent
tolerance for highly-controversial Muslim figures.
As recently as last year, the government allowed a visit by Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, a Egyptian cleric who has publicly voiced support for suic=
ide
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bombers. London's leftwing Mayor Ken Livingstone, who has called
al-Qaradawi
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a "man of peace," welcomed him as an honored guest (see related story).
Exploiting democracy
In 2000, Bakri told Cybercast News Service in an interview: "We will use
your democracy to destroy your democracy."
Britain's legal system and its willingness late last century to offer
asylum
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
to figures like Bakri, al-Masri and Abu Qatada made it a magnet for exi=
led
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radical organizations.
"In the past decade, the United Kingdom's undisputed political, economi=
c,
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and cultural center has also become a major world center of political
Islam
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and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and anti-American activism," writes Hebr=
ew
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University of Jerusalem academic Robert S. Wistrich, in online excerpts=
of
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an article to be published soon.
"Through its Arabic-language newspapers, magazines, and publishing hous=
es,
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not to mention its flourishing network of bookshops, mosques, and
community
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centers, radical Islam has taken full advantage of what British democra=
cy
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has to offer for its anti-Western goals, reaping the benefits of London=
's
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significance as a hub of global finance, electronic media, and mass
communications technology."
Osama bin Laden himself laid the groundwork for a London-based network,
according to terrorism researcher Yossef Bodansky.
In his biography on bin Laden, written before 9/11, Bodansky wrote that
the
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al-Qaeda leader based himself in the London suburb of Wembley in 1994. =
By
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the time he left, after the Saudis began demanding his expulsion, "he h=
ad
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consolidated a comprehensive system of entities" in the city.
In Nov. 1998, Bakri hosted a conference in London called Western Challe=
nge
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
and Islamic Response, attended by more than a dozen extremist groups. At
the
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gathering, Bakri voiced support for Osama bin Laden's jihad and said
recent
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
anti-U.S. attacks such as those in Saudi Arabia and East Africa were
"legitimate acts."
Following 9/11, Bakri was one of the first Islamist figures to publicly
applaud the attacks.
Since then he has spoken often of his support for violent jihad, even
admitting to signing up recruits for Islamist campaigns in places like
Kashmir and Israel.
A number of governments -- including those of India, Algeria, Sri Lanka
and
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Egypt -- have long complained about the presence in Britain of groups
connected to violent campaign in those countries.
Extremists recruited in Britain for terrorist acts abroad include "shoe
bomber" Reid, eight men involved in kidnappings in Yemen, and two men w=
ho
Post by Cyber Quaid
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
carried out a deadly suicide bombing in Tel Aviv in 2003.
Bakri insisted that fighters were never recruited to carry out violent
acts
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
inside Britain itself, although he did say it was his dream to see the
Islamic banner flying over Downing Street.
After the fall of the Taliban and its al-Qaeda allies in Afghanistan in
late
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2001, a member of Bakri's organization, Hassan Butt, told the BBC from
Pakistan that British Muslim volunteers who had been fighting in
Afghanistan
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
would return to Britain where they would "strike at the heart of the
enemy."
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
In an interview with a Portuguese magazine in April 2004, Bakri said
attacks
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
on London were "inevitable."
One "very well organized" group in London called itself al-Qaeda Europe,
he
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."
Copyright =A9 1998-2005 CNSNews.com - Cybercast News Service
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-04 09:02:04 UTC
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Muslims do like to cover the truth ... 9/11 it was the Jews, Bali it was
America, etc.. when caught out Muslims blame others, tell the world that
Islam means peace when it means Surrender. Lies is the hallmark of Muslims
as is terrorism.
Post by Cyber Quaid
It's always so easy to manufacture quotes on the internet and present them
as if a real person is reporting them..
Nice try using a web site only you know about. At least don't call it news
just call it a figment of your imagination.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/july/0712_london_havenp.shtml
London a Longtime Haven for Radical Muslim Figures
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
July 12, 2005
(CNSNews.com) -- Terrorism experts have long warned that Islamists
espousing
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violence enjoy a haven in London, an assertion that has come into sharp
focus again with the July 7 bombings in the British capital.
For years, Britain tolerated the presence of high-profile and outspoken
Islamic clerics whose fiery sermons frequently extolled jihad against the
West. Since 9/11, however, anti-terror legislation has been tightened,
some
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
groups have been outlawed, terror rings have been broken and some
controversial figures have been arrested.
One of them, Egyptian-born Abu Hamza al-Masri, went on trial this week at
London's Old Bailey courthouse, where he faces more than a dozen charges
include inciting terrorism and racial hatred.
Al-Masri was formerly the imam at a North London mosque linked to
confessed
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al-Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid, who tried to
blow
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up a U.S.-bound flight from Europe with explosives hidden in his shoe.
He also is wanted in the United States and Yemen on terror-related
charges.
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For years before his May 2004 arrest, al-Masri used the Finsbury Park
mosque
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as a base to speak for what he insisted were political causes.
Despite his radical rhetoric and close links to a group that claimed
responsibility for attacks including the Oct. 2000 bombing of the USS Cole
in Yemen, it was only in 2003 that the authorities acted against him,
stripping him of his British citizenship and barring him from preaching at
the mosque.
Al-Masri then took to addressing his followers -- mostly young British-
and
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
foreign-born Muslims -- on the street outside the building.
Britain also detained another London-based extremist cleric, Abu Qatada,
whose sermons were found in the 9/11 hijackers' apartment in Germany.
But other radical leaders remained free, among them Omar Bakri Mohammed, a
Syrian-born cleric who has promoted and praised violence against Israel,
America and Britain for years.
Yael Shahar of the Israel-based International Policy Institute for
Counter-Terrorism (ICT) said that although London had been a center for
Islamic extremism for years, the British security services only started
taking the threat seriously after 9/11.
Before that, Shahar said, "the firebrand clerics who preached jihad and
hatred of the West were dismissed as 'armchair warriors' by British
intelligence."
Even since 9/11, however, critics have questioned Britain's apparent
tolerance for highly-controversial Muslim figures.
As recently as last year, the government allowed a visit by Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, a Egyptian cleric who has publicly voiced support for suicide
bombers. London's leftwing Mayor Ken Livingstone, who has called
al-Qaradawi
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
a "man of peace," welcomed him as an honored guest (see related story).
Exploiting democracy
In 2000, Bakri told Cybercast News Service in an interview: "We will use
your democracy to destroy your democracy."
Britain's legal system and its willingness late last century to offer
asylum
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
to figures like Bakri, al-Masri and Abu Qatada made it a magnet for exiled
radical organizations.
"In the past decade, the United Kingdom's undisputed political, economic,
and cultural center has also become a major world center of political
Islam
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and anti-American activism," writes Hebrew
University of Jerusalem academic Robert S. Wistrich, in online excerpts of
an article to be published soon.
"Through its Arabic-language newspapers, magazines, and publishing houses,
not to mention its flourishing network of bookshops, mosques, and
community
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
centers, radical Islam has taken full advantage of what British democracy
has to offer for its anti-Western goals, reaping the benefits of London's
significance as a hub of global finance, electronic media, and mass
communications technology."
Osama bin Laden himself laid the groundwork for a London-based network,
according to terrorism researcher Yossef Bodansky.
In his biography on bin Laden, written before 9/11, Bodansky wrote that
the
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
al-Qaeda leader based himself in the London suburb of Wembley in 1994. By
the time he left, after the Saudis began demanding his expulsion, "he had
consolidated a comprehensive system of entities" in the city.
In Nov. 1998, Bakri hosted a conference in London called Western Challenge
and Islamic Response, attended by more than a dozen extremist groups. At
the
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
gathering, Bakri voiced support for Osama bin Laden's jihad and said
recent
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
anti-U.S. attacks such as those in Saudi Arabia and East Africa were
"legitimate acts."
Following 9/11, Bakri was one of the first Islamist figures to publicly
applaud the attacks.
Since then he has spoken often of his support for violent jihad, even
admitting to signing up recruits for Islamist campaigns in places like
Kashmir and Israel.
A number of governments -- including those of India, Algeria, Sri Lanka
and
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Egypt -- have long complained about the presence in Britain of groups
connected to violent campaign in those countries.
Extremists recruited in Britain for terrorist acts abroad include "shoe
bomber" Reid, eight men involved in kidnappings in Yemen, and two men who
carried out a deadly suicide bombing in Tel Aviv in 2003.
Bakri insisted that fighters were never recruited to carry out violent
acts
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
inside Britain itself, although he did say it was his dream to see the
Islamic banner flying over Downing Street.
After the fall of the Taliban and its al-Qaeda allies in Afghanistan in
late
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2001, a member of Bakri's organization, Hassan Butt, told the BBC from
Pakistan that British Muslim volunteers who had been fighting in
Afghanistan
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would return to Britain where they would "strike at the heart of the
enemy."
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In an interview with a Portuguese magazine in April 2004, Bakri said
attacks
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
on London were "inevitable."
One "very well organized" group in London called itself al-Qaeda Europe,
he
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."
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2005-08-02 14:10:27 UTC
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Condemning terror attacks or offering condolences are far from enough.
What is needed right now and very desparately is to reform Islam and
educate its followers to be free from hatred, greed and jelousy against
fellow human beings unconditionally regardless of race, religion,
language, culture, gender, etc.

The past achivements of Islam and its followers, if any, does not do
any good today.

The unconditional hatred and violence Islam and its followers today are
projecting against innocent and defenceless certainly is not any
indication of that past glory, and totally unexcusable regardless of
their past. The alleged past achievements of Islam and Moslems, in
terms of today, is nothing more than bull-shit unles Islam and Moslems
act like civilized human beings as they claim to be.

The true character of Islam and its followers today is the
unconditional hatred and violence they are projecting against the
innocent and defenceless. I cannot excuse the unconditional hatred and
violence Islam and Moslems are projecting against the innocent and
defenceless today just because of alleged past glory.

Either Moslems reform themsleves and Islam in peaceful and painless
ways, or the other will have to it which might be be very painful.








http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html


[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from
whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter,
and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with
you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the
recompense of the unbelievers.

[3-151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve,
because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no
authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the
unjust.

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved,
so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them
friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn
back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take
not from among them a friend or a helper.

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from
you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to
the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not
withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their
hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and
against these We have given you a clear authority.

[5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant,
but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore
We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and
Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they
should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be
cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be
as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall
have a grievous chastisement,

[5-51] O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for
friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes
them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not
guide the unjust people.

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore
make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of
those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off
every fingertip of them.

52.45] Leave them then till they meet that day of theirs wherein they
shall be made to swoon (with terror):

There is no compulsion in Islam as long as one is a Muslim.

[2-256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has
become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in
the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the
firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing,
Knowing.

Islam clearly cannot allow for any other faith. From the hadith:

Sahih Muslim
Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger
of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and
Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but
Muslim.

Sahih Muslim
The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman)
Book 001, Number 0033:

It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the
Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people
till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if
they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my
behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
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http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/july/0712_london_havenp.shtml
London a Longtime Haven for Radical Muslim Figures
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
July 12, 2005
(CNSNews.com) -- Terrorism experts have long warned that Islamists espousing
violence enjoy a haven in London, an assertion that has come into sharp
focus again with the July 7 bombings in the British capital.
For years, Britain tolerated the presence of high-profile and outspoken
Islamic clerics whose fiery sermons frequently extolled jihad against the
West. Since 9/11, however, anti-terror legislation has been tightened, some
groups have been outlawed, terror rings have been broken and some
controversial figures have been arrested.
One of them, Egyptian-born Abu Hamza al-Masri, went on trial this week at
London's Old Bailey courthouse, where he faces more than a dozen charges
include inciting terrorism and racial hatred.
Al-Masri was formerly the imam at a North London mosque linked to confessed
al-Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid, who tried to blow
up a U.S.-bound flight from Europe with explosives hidden in his shoe.
He also is wanted in the United States and Yemen on terror-related charges.
For years before his May 2004 arrest, al-Masri used the Finsbury Park mosque
as a base to speak for what he insisted were political causes.
Despite his radical rhetoric and close links to a group that claimed
responsibility for attacks including the Oct. 2000 bombing of the USS Cole
in Yemen, it was only in 2003 that the authorities acted against him,
stripping him of his British citizenship and barring him from preaching at
the mosque.
Al-Masri then took to addressing his followers -- mostly young British- and
foreign-born Muslims -- on the street outside the building.
Britain also detained another London-based extremist cleric, Abu Qatada,
whose sermons were found in the 9/11 hijackers' apartment in Germany.
But other radical leaders remained free, among them Omar Bakri Mohammed, a
Syrian-born cleric who has promoted and praised violence against Israel,
America and Britain for years.
Yael Shahar of the Israel-based International Policy Institute for
Counter-Terrorism (ICT) said that although London had been a center for
Islamic extremism for years, the British security services only started
taking the threat seriously after 9/11.
Before that, Shahar said, "the firebrand clerics who preached jihad and
hatred of the West were dismissed as 'armchair warriors' by British
intelligence."
Even since 9/11, however, critics have questioned Britain's apparent
tolerance for highly-controversial Muslim figures.
As recently as last year, the government allowed a visit by Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, a Egyptian cleric who has publicly voiced support for suicide
bombers. London's leftwing Mayor Ken Livingstone, who has called al-Qaradawi
a "man of peace," welcomed him as an honored guest (see related story).
Exploiting democracy
In 2000, Bakri told Cybercast News Service in an interview: "We will use
your democracy to destroy your democracy."
Britain's legal system and its willingness late last century to offer asylum
to figures like Bakri, al-Masri and Abu Qatada made it a magnet for exiled
radical organizations.
"In the past decade, the United Kingdom's undisputed political, economic,
and cultural center has also become a major world center of political Islam
and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and anti-American activism," writes Hebrew
University of Jerusalem academic Robert S. Wistrich, in online excerpts of
an article to be published soon.
"Through its Arabic-language newspapers, magazines, and publishing houses,
not to mention its flourishing network of bookshops, mosques, and community
centers, radical Islam has taken full advantage of what British democracy
has to offer for its anti-Western goals, reaping the benefits of London's
significance as a hub of global finance, electronic media, and mass
communications technology."
Osama bin Laden himself laid the groundwork for a London-based network,
according to terrorism researcher Yossef Bodansky.
In his biography on bin Laden, written before 9/11, Bodansky wrote that the
al-Qaeda leader based himself in the London suburb of Wembley in 1994. By
the time he left, after the Saudis began demanding his expulsion, "he had
consolidated a comprehensive system of entities" in the city.
In Nov. 1998, Bakri hosted a conference in London called Western Challenge
and Islamic Response, attended by more than a dozen extremist groups. At the
gathering, Bakri voiced support for Osama bin Laden's jihad and said recent
anti-U.S. attacks such as those in Saudi Arabia and East Africa were
"legitimate acts."
Following 9/11, Bakri was one of the first Islamist figures to publicly
applaud the attacks.
Since then he has spoken often of his support for violent jihad, even
admitting to signing up recruits for Islamist campaigns in places like
Kashmir and Israel.
A number of governments -- including those of India, Algeria, Sri Lanka and
Egypt -- have long complained about the presence in Britain of groups
connected to violent campaign in those countries.
Extremists recruited in Britain for terrorist acts abroad include "shoe
bomber" Reid, eight men involved in kidnappings in Yemen, and two men who
carried out a deadly suicide bombing in Tel Aviv in 2003.
Bakri insisted that fighters were never recruited to carry out violent acts
inside Britain itself, although he did say it was his dream to see the
Islamic banner flying over Downing Street.
After the fall of the Taliban and its al-Qaeda allies in Afghanistan in late
2001, a member of Bakri's organization, Hassan Butt, told the BBC from
Pakistan that British Muslim volunteers who had been fighting in Afghanistan
would return to Britain where they would "strike at the heart of the enemy."
In an interview with a Portuguese magazine in April 2004, Bakri said attacks
on London were "inevitable."
One "very well organized" group in London called itself al-Qaeda Europe, he
said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."
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